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grangecam
10-09-2017, 06:00 PM
My business partner (also my wife) and I are having a difficult time negotiating with our other business partners, who are also two people who own a company together. Together, our two companies co-produced a feature length documentary film, which is finally finished and is making a tour of the US, Canada and more distant places. By poor planning, we did not have a written agreement up front about how we would divvy up whatever income we can get from screenings and distribution of the film.

The entire budget of the film was funded by grants and donations; neither of our companies infused any cash into the production, although I did provide a lot of computer equipment for editing, and about 15% of our home has been production office space for about 5 years.
In addition, no one among the 2 companies was paid for nearly 2 years, as the grant money got low, and ongoing expenses (other peoples' salaries plus video post production and technical services) ate up all the grant money we could find. However, the film's director- one of the partners from the other company- took a full time job for about 6 months, leaving my wife alone in the edit room and managing production for that period. Obviously the director was also involved, but she had a full time teaching job, so she did not contribute full time to the film during that time. She was getting paid during that time, my wife was not.

Now that the film is finished and going on tour (with one person from each company), our partners from the other company (the film's director) insist that they deserve a hefty premium payment based on the gross revenue! They have not fully justified the reasoning behind this 10 percent of gross premium, but vaguely it is about "leading the distribution effort" and "managing distribution". Of course, my wife is also managing distribution, to the tune of 60-70 hours per week, and only one partner from the other company, the film's director, is fully engaged in the project. The director's company is a handling all the money, but they are keeping track of time and getting paid based on hours worked, so their company is not providing free bookkeeping and accounting services. Everything is paid for by the project. Modest salaries are being paid again, but limited to what money is coming in, so there is no guarantee that the salaries will continue. Over half of the monthly income in September was paid to other vendors and personnel, so the 10% fee (of GROSS revenue) that our partners are demanding is really a huge percentage of what is left.

Is this fair? They insist that they are getting a bad deal! I feel that we are getting a worse deal. How do you negotiate with a narcissist who is sure she is working harder than everyone else, when we know that everyone is putting in as much of their time as possible. She is of course the film's director, but this was a co-production and making a documentary film is a major collaborative effort; she was not solely responsible for making the film. Any comments would be appreciated; how would a non-film related business view such a situation?

Harold Mansfield
10-10-2017, 10:40 AM
I'm going through a similar situation with a start up right this second. The difference is that in my situation I'm the lead. It's a tech based business and I'm the only one with any tech skills or just basic understanding of the internet.

In my situation I knew my role, knew I'd be doing the bulk of the work and considered it worth it being that someone else is funding the entire thing and bringing resources, connections and infrastructure that I would have never gotten on my own. But in exchange for what I bring I'm getting what I feel is a generous ownership share, and as of late, full control as CEO. I'm good with that.

However, there is one partner who doesn't bring any technical skills to the table and they were expected to make it up in sweat equity and hard work. That has not been the case and the partnership is struggling because of it, and we need to move forward. It will probably not end well especially since we are friends and it will end the friendship. Kind of one of the things you accept as a possibility when you go into business with friends. The irony is that she brought me in because she knew I could run it and do what it takes to make the project successful. And I will.

So I know how hard it is to try and reason with someone who feels they're enduring more hardship than everyone else, and can't see the big picture of the business outside of their own needs. It can be a losing battle that just goes in circles forever and patience only goes so far.

In any decent start up the different principles bring different skills and talents. In a good start up everyone understands that during different phases some people will be working harder than others, and on other phases others will be working harder. That's how it goes when different talents are needed. That's why you build a team of different talents.

Overall EVERYONE does what it takes, regardless of what it is. Business doesn't care what your personal issues are. If you want to be a grown up business person and build a successful company you figure it out. It is solely your responsibility to figure out your own stuff. But I'm venting about my own thing. Back to your thing.

From where I sit the split should be 50-50. When partners start arguing about who put in more work during different phases to justify more equity it's pretty petty. Everyone is supposed to do what it takes when they are needed. Period. If the situation was that someone hasn't been pulling their weight, that's different. But this doesn't sound like that. This sounds like one side thinking their contribution is worth more than the everyone elses even though they knew their role going in. Usually this pettiness rears it's ugly head when people realize how much hard work is involved or when there's the possibility of actually making money.

Sounds like you all worked hard and no one deserves more of a share than the other. You went in as a partnership and you need to stay that way. If someone is feeling that someone else hasn't pulled their weight, get it out in the open, discuss, listen to each other and correct the situation so that you can move on.

The fact that we're talking about 2 married couples makes this even stickier, and yet in my eyes, easier. It's basically 2 teams. Legally even without an agreement you all own 50% as a couple or 25% ea. That's brass tacks right now. If you went to court, considering that no one put in significant out of pocket investment and you're basically arguing over who worked harder I'm confident in saying that's how any judge would rule. Financially there just isn't enough to say someone is owed more.

Is there anything on paper? An LLC? Anything at all? If so who's names are on it?

You have to get an agreement and put it in writing soon or the animosity will kill your chances of success. Everyone can't be Fleetwood Mac (kids ask your parents who that is). If you don't get this figured out the project will get ruined before it has a chance and no one will make a dime or waste all your time and money suing each other and everyone will lose except the lawyers.

Sounds like the person in question wants more credit. Yes, narcissistic, but see if there's a way to give it to her without giving her more ownership. Make her the lead promoter. Let her do interviews, and be the face of the project (if she's capable). I'm sure the exposure will give her the kind of self promotion that could lead to more opportunity for her personally. Far more than she would benefit than trying to squeeze this one project for all it's worth. Maybe that will satisfy her ego and you can all move on.

If this continues to be an argument remind everyone that 70% (or whatever they're asking) of nothing is still nothing.

Fulcrum
10-10-2017, 04:24 PM
Not to derail, but to clarify who Fleetwood Mac is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgwRYjDhK_E