saw the builder today..he admitted the other plumber even got him special deals on fixtures for less than his cost from the distributor....have i done that for good existing customers...yes....but no one would for a new customer...

he seemed uncomfortable, but promised future bids....he's spent 1 year promising work and this was it...a bid which i could never win....he's probably a lost cause....he says he was impressed with my organization and service....so who knows....when it gets busy someday ill probably get a 2nd chance...whenever that day will be.